tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post1626637235726946944..comments2024-03-17T00:08:48.923-04:00Comments on Beyond the Gilded Age: The End of 'Whiteholme'Zach L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-54464419787103116972017-09-26T15:58:51.164-04:002017-09-26T15:58:51.164-04:00The Downeast Dilettante was referring to the Goele...The Downeast Dilettante was referring to the Goelet house adjacent to Ochre Court, which belonged to Robert Goelet and is still in the hands of Goelet descendants (the Manices). Brother Ogden was the Ochre Point Goelet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-30977002170001146552017-09-26T15:51:26.764-04:002017-09-26T15:51:26.764-04:00It's in good hands. No need to worry about tha...It's in good hands. No need to worry about that house, thankfully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-33118407251455518152012-05-20T12:44:52.333-04:002012-05-20T12:44:52.333-04:00I was thinking that americans were more interested...I was thinking that americans were more interested in preservation of their beautiful architecture but alas they are exactly like french peoples...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-86537451031099267942012-03-27T20:12:46.381-04:002012-03-27T20:12:46.381-04:00I would like to make a correction and state that t...I would like to make a correction and state that the Robert Walton Goelet villa is, and was always named, "Ochre Point". "Southside" was the property directly to the north of it, across Narragansett Avenue, belonging to Robert Ives Gammell . . . the southernmost of four continuous estates owned by the Gammell family of Providence. South to north they would be "Southside", "Ocean Lawn", "North House" and "Hopedene". I believe it was architectural historian Wayne Andrews who confused the name, and many people have followed suit ever since. And referring to the great Cornelius Vanderbilt II mansion ~ it is The Breakers . . . not the Breakers.Old Grey Dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-26356261353968654602012-03-27T15:27:36.437-04:002012-03-27T15:27:36.437-04:00K begin your search for Miley Hall on the grounds ...K begin your search for Miley Hall on the grounds of Salve Regina College in Newport and you will be at ground zero. Its just two streets north of the BreakersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-26572811262245296722012-03-27T14:51:19.275-04:002012-03-27T14:51:19.275-04:00Where in Newport was this house located?Where in Newport was this house located?Kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-67024638579577613602012-03-26T13:00:41.608-04:002012-03-26T13:00:41.608-04:00"The 1960s were the Nadir of the demolition d..."The 1960s were the Nadir of the demolition derby."<br /><br />In more ways than you know.<br /><br />LorraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-70470284062821902602012-03-26T11:01:13.788-04:002012-03-26T11:01:13.788-04:00Anonymous 9:39
I get it all too well. The 1960s ...Anonymous 9:39<br /><br />I get it all too well. The 1960s were the Nadir of the demolition derby. I watched a score of big houses come down here in that era. After WWII, these houses went begging for buyers, and sold cheap I believe that the last private owner of Whiteholme picked it up for a song in 1944? and clearly didn't waste funds on much maintenance. It's a story repeated over and over---institutions were almost the only buyers in those years---and as we know, the Catholic Church really likes those yellow brick boxes, and they wanted student housing. Although Salve Regina is now committed to the public relations value of historic preservation, it came too late for this house. The entire area is no longer residential, their record as stewards is mixed---some of the houses in their care are shockingly shabby---and the real worry is the future of McKim Mead & White's masterful 'Southside' for Robert Goelet, still in the hands of the Goelet family, but pretty surrounded by Salve Regina.The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-59006659932156140912012-03-25T13:39:06.123-04:002012-03-25T13:39:06.123-04:00yea floorplans exist in the very sparse but inexpe...yea floorplans exist in the very sparse but inexpensive john russell pope bookchauncy primmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17099894744964516223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-48487589341778622032012-03-24T23:15:40.451-04:002012-03-24T23:15:40.451-04:00the photos show Whiteholme just days before demo a...the photos show Whiteholme just days before demo after a wrecking crew went through it and took whatever of value could be pried off the walls and floorsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-79140491447175424192012-03-24T21:39:18.069-04:002012-03-24T21:39:18.069-04:00Wait...I don't understand. Someone lived in th...Wait...I don't understand. Someone lived in this house in 1960, and just 3 short years later the house became this? I don't get it....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-7596354594655660282012-03-24T17:23:29.268-04:002012-03-24T17:23:29.268-04:00Mr. Old Grey Dog's first picture is worth thou...Mr. Old Grey Dog's first picture is worth thousands of words. An overcast day with bare trees - a once simply elegant and grand mansion completely abandoned with an overgrown and neglected landscape.<br /><br />How can anyone let something like this go to such complete waste? This is almost as bad as Eden Hall outside of Philadelphia. But not quite as heart-wrenching as Whitemarsh Hall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-31547630508742020632012-03-24T17:18:49.146-04:002012-03-24T17:18:49.146-04:00How hauntingly beautiful and absolutely heartbreak...How hauntingly beautiful and absolutely heartbreaking! <br /><br />LorraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-18591120230929416442012-03-24T16:45:26.771-04:002012-03-24T16:45:26.771-04:00Great photos, but very sad. Even in its ruined sta...Great photos, but very sad. Even in its ruined state the building is elegant. Could easily pass for any number of great houses prior to their demolition and although they salvaged some elements, it is still such a waste of fine design, materials and craftsmanship. The building shell alone is spectacular. I would love to have those balcony corbels and french door keystones.archibuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-86299301751759747092012-03-24T13:32:54.051-04:002012-03-24T13:32:54.051-04:00Those photos taken of the house on a Sunday, at ag...Those photos taken of the house on a Sunday, at age nineteen, just days before it was demolished, were deliberate, non-felonious, tresspass. I had heard of its eminent destruction so put a roll of film in the camera to record this sad beauty. I wandered through all rooms, on all floors, even through the caretaker's quarters behind the roof top baustrades over the entrance and garden facades. Besides the twelve photos I have, as a souvenir, an ornate brass spring-loaded window latch that I found in the rubble of the Salon. On the inner, flat, side of the latch is stamped the number 14 . . . under which is stamped FT. For floor plans of both the first and second floors see either Michael Kathrens' "Newport Villas - 1885-1935", published by W.W. Norton & Company in 2009 . . . or James B. Garrison's "Mastering Tradition - The Residential Architecture of John Rusell Pope", published by Acanthus Press on 2004.Old Grey Dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-54570596139452721492012-03-24T12:41:53.782-04:002012-03-24T12:41:53.782-04:00What a beauty - and what a shame it was destroyed....What a beauty - and what a shame it was destroyed. I wonder if a floor plan of the place is available anywhere?Russ Manleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05722260145543178087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-10993844665023515542012-03-24T11:35:09.249-04:002012-03-24T11:35:09.249-04:00Okay, can't stop gushing---these pictures help...Okay, can't stop gushing---these pictures help us understand the space and the idea of frivolity (serious frivolity) behind these houses, with pictures looking through the drawing room windows to those on the other side, and of the rotunda... sad but marvelous stuffThe Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1065946066745731728.post-70933873584221496652012-03-24T11:32:38.782-04:002012-03-24T11:32:38.782-04:00WOW!!
(how often does one hear the Dilettante sho...WOW!!<br /><br />(how often does one hear the Dilettante shout that word?)<br /><br />Let's thank Old Grey Dog both for the pictures, and for being such a good and evocative photographer (would that someone had taken such good pictures of demolished houses up here).<br /><br />The extent of the Nun's Crimes Against Architecture (and landscape) are seriously felt here. "Let's take this building, and rather than adapting it, demolish it, and while we're at it, let's also destroy the existing landscape and walls".The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.com